Scientist claims 'proof' of afterlife
Mikey 69 commentsAfter conducting what some might say is questionable research, Scientists at the University of Arizona in the USofA say they have proof that when we die we continue to live past our physical bodies.
This 'proof' comes from a spiritual medium, whose laboratory controlled readings apparently could not have been guessed or fudged, ergo, 'proof'. Professor Schwartz says:
"There are so many people that are going to try to find holes in what we've done ...there is not a hole to find when we agree, or get a final protocol done. When you look at the totality of the data from our laboratory, the simplest explanation is actually that survival of consciousness is real"
The sceptic in me says there has to be another explanation, but then I'm no expert on the after life. It's not that I wouldn't like there to be an afterlife, its that I need rock solid evidence - not faith - which probably won't ever happen on this subject.
Muzza
Saturday 28th June 2008 | 07:58 PMI for one am prepared for zombie invasion! Hollywood has taught me all I need to know!
As for the afterlife...I'm with Nate...there is only one way to find out and we will all get there eventually!
Nnfc
Saturday 28th June 2008 | 08:15 PMHow very true Nate, so unless one of our religious friends offers to generously sacrifice his/her miserable, religious soaked bodies, and can bloody well report back after the event, I'm satisfied and pretty damn content understanding that my consciousness will switch off, like every other human being's, when the lights go out. It simply takes a bit of intelligence and maturity to accept it.
Gina Squitieri
Saturday 28th June 2008 | 10:27 PMThe only thing I believe are the actual studies that have shown that for up to 20 minutes after death, the dead continue to hear what's going on around them (that is if they possessed that ability in the first place). Your hearing is the last thing to go.
So many people want to connect with their dead relatives, and since there are those people out there, there will be those schools who will gladly conduct studies (for a small government grant?) to "prove" it. On the other hand, I suppose we can be thankful they're not shooting people in dead, or helping the drug smugglers, or taking nasty pictures of youths, or torturing 5-year-olds.
nnfc
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 09:23 AM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. Typical, because you have no understanding of why our hearing may continue for some short time after our deaths, you rely on man made myths for your answer. Chooks can run around after their heads are removed for a short time: how could that be Gina, maybe your fantasy "god" thing is moving their legs hey. Wake up.
Respect
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 10:11 AMNnfc-
did Gina hit a nerve? I think she has, you sound so angry! And you are contradicting yourself, by this comment:
Typical, because you have no understanding of why our hearing may continue for some short time after our deaths, you rely on man made myths for your answer.
Ok- so what is your analogy?
how could that be Gina, maybe your fantasy "god" thing is moving their legs hey. Wake up.
So what is your explanation?
Gina Squitieri
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 10:17 AM...in response to this comment by nnfc. Now that I've got your attention........... follow me around some more, will you?
Respect
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 10:18 AMI have a strong suspicion that your spirit lives on forever but the flesh dies.
This is why it is important to take this life serious, meaning: What you do in this earth will reflect what happens to you in the after life.
Gina Squitieri
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 10:33 AM...in response to this comment by Respect. Respect, would you be interested at all in knowing the biblical answer as to what happens after we die?
Gina Squitieri
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 12:57 PM...in response to this comment by Respect. Okay.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
[So, doesn't go anywhere except back to God, and the body decomposes -- if it isn't burned, and the next verse is what the dead in their graves will do.....]
Ecclesiastes 9:10
... there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave,
[Absolutely nothing because they are not conscious. They are dead. When a person dies they are dead, not alive in spirit form in some other geographical location.]
Respect
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 01:22 PMGina,
You're right on that one after taking a close look I've found I was wrong.
They are sleeping until they are awaken by God on the day of Judgment, right?
Respect
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 01:34 PMI found this video that confirms what you just said.
http://www.john1429.org/video/sod/sod.html
Jake
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 04:44 PMWhat absolute duck crap!
I am all for proof of an afterlife but this experiment is totally flawed!
They had one medium giving information.
If it were even to be considered scientific, they would have had at least 10 'mediums' and a few control people totally separated from the others and each would have to give the same report or description in order for the result to be quantifiable.
These people have done more than hurt their cause, they've absolutely killed it (some pun intended).
Gina Squitieri
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 09:58 PM...in response to this comment by Respect. Yes.
Gina Squitieri
Sunday 29th June 2008 | 11:14 PM...in response to this comment by Respect. Thanks, Respect.
That is not far off the mark. They used all the verses I was thinking of.
But it only confirms partly what I said.
There is a part in the video where the speaker says
"Yes, it is true there are some (Enoch, Elisha and Moses ) who have bypassed the grave" and some were resurrected 2000 years ago w/ Christ and...they all have physical bodies.
Crock.
The speaker even uses the term "eternal damnation" which is an unscriptural term and I cringe whenever I hear it. I absolutely loath that mistranslation/misinterpretation.
Do you believe what that speaker says about Enoch bypassing the grave?
Respect, what happened to the judgment?
Listen, I did do what that speaker in the video said and I went to my bible, and didn't just trust what he said, and I found that all those people all died.
Hebrews 11
5By faith Enoch was translated [TRANSPORTED] that he should not see death [AT THAT TIME]; and was not found [AT THAT TIME], because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
[We know that Enoch died because a few verses later, Hebrews says....]
.....
13These ALL DIED in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
....
39And these all having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT the promise:
40God having provided some better thing for us, that *THEY WITHOUT US should NOT BE MADE PERFECT.*
Respect, do you see a contradiction in what the speaker in that video says and what the Word of God actually says? I do.
He says: "Don't take my or anyone else's word for it. Go to your bible and check it out for yourselves," and then goes on to state that Moses and Enoch and Elisha all ascended and "bypassed the grave."
How did they bypass the grave, when the bible plainly states that the penalty for sin [to miss the mark] is death. What no man or woman has ever lived (except Jesus) who doesn't miss the mark every now and then. Yet the speaker in the video (with his calm, hypnotic voice) attempts to convince the viewers that that is not true.
Unbelievable. Please understand, I'm not coming down on you, because I know how easily it is to be deceived. It was an excellent teaching tool nonetheless.
Thank you for reading and for your kindness. :)
Respect
Monday 30th June 2008 | 05:37 AMGina
Thanks for the explanation. I had a bad feeling while I was listening to the speaker but I was to lazy to confirm his words.
In fact, there was another video that I listened to as well that was from their library and it was completely off the mark.
I'm glad you pointed out those errors.
Gina - I just don't understand why there is so much misleading today by these preachers. Too much twisting going on, if you have an idea as to why please fill me in.
Gong
Monday 30th June 2008 | 05:42 AM"there is not a hole to find"
couldn't help giggling
i'm childish yes
Gina Squitieri
Monday 30th June 2008 | 06:43 AM...in response to this comment by Gong. Gong! That is hysterical! I love that.
Gina Squitieri
Monday 30th June 2008 | 06:59 AM...in response to this comment by Respect. They are deceived themselves and see dollar signs. It's about money and power.
Gina Squitieri
Monday 30th June 2008 | 07:04 AM...in response to this comment by Respect. Anyway, we're off topic. Sorry, Michael.
mini-mel
Monday 30th June 2008 | 06:04 PM...in response to this comment by Nate >.>. come-on now nate... dont forget flatliners... ;)
on the afterlife.. my brother was hit and run by a car at the age of 6.. he died for approx 3 or so mins. and (obviously) was rescusitated by a nurse who was travelling in the car behind the one that hit him.
he has no memories of the accident, nor of anything else, but waking in a hospital some time later.
thats not to say that there isnt anything there on the 'other side'.. maybe his juvenile mind was too young to comprehend what had happened.. he didnt see the white light or get the feeling of love or what ever is meant to happen. all i know is some cretin ran over my older brother and kept on going, and im very lucky to have him
Altoid
Tuesday 1st July 2008 | 09:46 AMKeeping all religious fables aside, many people report near death experiences during extreme trauma. However, this is due to a surge of saratonin and DMT by your pineal gland (also known as your 3rd eye).
Or what if after death comes another life? Not one in Christ-themed Disneyland, but another regular life. That would help explain deja-vu (even though I think dreams are the cause of that)
Whatever, nobody knows and nobody ever will. Might as well do what you can while you can.
Gina Squitieri
Tuesday 1st July 2008 | 10:56 AM...in response to this comment by Altoid. Yes, that 3rd eye has been replicated in a laboratory studies. I watched it w/ my own eyes. They put some sort of an electrode directly somewhere on the brain -- on exposed brain tissue (this guy's skull is all cut out and his brains are just sitting there out in the open, all unprotected--whered-- I mean, wired-- no, I'm mean, Wierd-- It was weird, but truth is stranjer then fixion.)
Jake
Tuesday 1st July 2008 | 11:01 AM...in response to this comment by Altoid. Well said mate!
NIcholas
Wednesday 6th August 2008 | 01:16 AMDear Gina, I forgive you for taking myself and the Scriptures I quoted out of context to twist the video I made.
for a COMPLETE look at the state of the dead I couldn't fit in the video, go to... http://www.remnantofgod.org/Immortal.htm
For a complete look at "DAMNATION" and what the Bible REALLY says about how long people are in Hellfire, see this... http://www.remnantofgod.org/Hellfire.htm
Pretty amazing how much Truth is NOT KNOWN by Christians. Why? Read what the prophet Amos said about today's Christians in Amos 8:11. That's why people will fall for out of contect Scriptures. They don't read the Bible themselves! They let others give them their OPINION.
paul
Monday 22nd September 2008 | 11:25 AMthe lightswitch theory is the basis of all 'organized' religion;the stark,mind-boggling fear that when we die our conciousness is immediately snuffed out like turning off a lightswitch,AS IF WE NEVER EXISTED....the human,rational mind cannot possibly wrap itself around that thought without going mad-from the dawn of history,'leaders of society' recognized this,and to retain power for themselves and to avoid total chaos,they invented the bible,and 'GOD', heaven and hell.Simple and truthfull as that-all else is total B.S.
Friendo
Monday 22nd September 2008 | 11:41 AM...in response to this comment by paul. Nice one paul....
I've been a light switch guy from very early. I also found the supporting article very weak and unconvincing.
Please check out my latest at https://rustylime.com/vblog.php?id=2652 though it is not on this topic, it is in line with the thinking your doing.
F-
Gina
Monday 22nd September 2008 | 01:28 PM...in response to this comment by NIcholas. I didn't twist anything, Nicholas. Your video is a lot of truth mixed with untruths. You need to get your head out of the sands of Baby-lon (don't be such a baby!).
Nicholas
Sunday 26th October 2008 | 02:29 PM...in response to this comment by Gina. Can ou please SHOW everyone which "untruths" you say I shared in my videos Gina?
PS.. I don't frequent this site. When you respond, email me through my main site to alert me. Please send me the URL of the page that holds your "proof" as well.
God bless
...Nicholas
www.RemnantofGod.org
www.John1429.org
Nicholas
Sunday 8th February 2009 | 05:17 AMNOTICE! It is now February 07, 2009 and my request from Gina to supply the proof she proclaimed on 09/22/08 that my video had untruths in it has never been answered. Please pray for her as it is obvious she mis-spoke. Pray she investigates this truth and embraces it rather than attack it. The fact she was unable to answer proves there are no Bible Scriptures to prove what I shared in the video was false or error. (My request still holds.. if you (Gina) feel you have Scriptures to refute the video, please contact me from my site (I have a "contact us" page) when you respond here so I can return to answer you. I rearely frequent this site)
For the young in Christ that love to share His Truth, this method I used here works great to stop scoffers. All you need to do when those that deny the truth come against you proclaiming you are in error, simply ASK THEM (politely) to prove it using God's Word. 98% of the time they will quickly disappear. 1% of the time they will "turn and rend" with an attack. The other 1% will try to debate with you, but when you use a Bible to place their accusations back in context, the Truth will remain just that. TRUTH.
God bless
...Nicholas
www.RemnantofGod.org
www.John 14:29.org
alexandra- Romania
Sunday 12th April 2009 | 08:02 PMyou are nutty....science as provided the afterllife and you don't trust it(mura in gura v-a dat ma mura-n gura!!!prostilor).....ohh stupid people!!!!
Kissthis
Monday 13th April 2009 | 12:48 AMMikey, what would you define as "rock solid evidence" ?
Nicholas
Thursday 3rd March 2011 | 12:28 PM...in response to this comment by Nicholas. Notice! It is now March 2, 2011 and Gina is STILL unable to prove what she said about my videos. Need I say more?
...in response to this comment by Nicholas. Wanna know what this is: https://rustylime.com/show_article.php?id=1972#comm17069
Well, that, fine man, is an answer. That is an answer, Nicholas.
Time to move on.
Henk V
Saturday 5th March 2011 | 10:40 AM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. No Gina... If you are brain dead.. your eyes and ears function as normal.. just the neurological tissue doesnt use it..
no nerves, no function
its akin to taking the motherboard out of your laptop. There is nothing wrong with the i/o its just useless. Your laptop components have an advantage tho, they dont start degrading.
Its pretty damning that you guys should be discussing such poor EB. I would point out that whenever junk EB is paraded out people will debate it. Whenever hard science is brought out we hear peoples point of view.
Point of view = not bothering to work to form an opinion.
I would maintain that 99% of EB is junk and should be listed in a journal of Failed Comparisons
NCCAMs isnt the pariah of all US government organisations for nothing.
...in response to this comment by Henk V. I'm sorry, Henk, but did you have something say?
*to say.
And for the record, I no longer believe any nonsense about dead people continuing to hear for a period of time after they're dead. When a person is dead, then he's dead all over.
Goodnight all.
Henk V
Saturday 5th March 2011 | 01:56 PMI hope you learned a lot more in that period. I particularly like you saying that when a person is dead, that person is dead all over.
what I don't like is the inference that males are "persons". Have you set back feminism by 80 years or was that just a slip of the pronoun?
Set back feminism 80 years? Where have you been, Henk? Feminism NEVER moved anything forward. Feminism is a hoax of the 20th Century. It's so funny you should say that.
I recently took a stroll down memory lane (was a 70's child) and learned that women actually thought that because they were screwing anyone they wanted whenever they wanted that this made them stronger or equal with men. That's not equality. That was Marshall Kirk hard at work, possibly; but FOR SURE it was women acting like whores -- and that kind of behavior will never contribute to a person's well being or character growth. And, that behavior spilled over into the generations that followed and many girls and women even today continue to blindly follow that lead, although I wouldn't call that leadership, just the blind leading the blind, and they have ALL suffered majorly for it. Feminism was supposed to be about empowerment, I think. But that kind of behavior never empowered any woman or girl I know.
Feminism is, was, and always will be a farce!
Nice chatting with you.
Henk V
Sunday 6th March 2011 | 01:04 PMso that is feminism...how could I possibly reply?
can we now talk about female intelligence from your perspective?
You know I wonder about the rest of the world..
Gina
Sunday 6th March 2011 | 05:25 PM...in response to this comment by Henk V. No. WE cannot. Goodnight Henk.
Henk V.
Monday 7th March 2011 | 12:35 PMis that schizophrenia, social elevation or just more bad grammar that makes you refer to yourself in the plural (or multiple)?
Henk V.
Monday 7th March 2011 | 01:48 PMTwo technical points I can make here;
a) afterlife is..after life. Its the conditions where people speak no ill anymore..
b) life after life? It doesn't sound very good at all. Look at the example the bible gives us for god's plan...slaving in a fucking jungle. FOR EVER!!
To think that when the folk redacted that from the enuma elish, they could have put a better spin on why the gods wanted us. God has a very low opinion of the Adam. You want to think thats a great thing?
Your welcome. Just dont fuck with childrens heads and say its a good thing to be an unclothed slave...for eternity.
Priority of gods plan for his in the creation starts with inerrancy in genesis. Ask any creationist.
Surely god knew everything then?
...in response to this comment by Henk V.. None of the above, Henk. It's so simple, even a child could understand it. You said, and I quote:
"can WE [that's you and I] now talk about female intelligence from your [that's me] perspective?"
And so I replied and said, 'No. WE cannot.' Now why was that so hard, Henk? Or, were you just trying to goad me into a protracted discussion about the topic? (No, no! Don't answer that, please...that is what is commonly known as a rhetorical question, i.e., the answer is obvious. However, I'll take an educated guess and prophecy that you will respond to my rhetorical question regardless, since I've noticed (as I'm sure many here have) that you have responded to any and every last commenter on Rustylime, without hesitation or delay (what the hell do you do all flipping day long, Henk? Don't you ever have to even so much as go the bathroom?! Geez! Get a life haha!) , since you first joined. Not judging. That is your ..ehh... "choice." Sure is! I anxiously await your reply. hehe)
Henk V.
Saturday 12th March 2011 | 07:12 PMsay hullo to your husband Gilly for me..
Hey Dumbo
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 12:15 AMI live in West Australia you flying pachyderm clown and I am sure Ginas a lovely girl but I am married to someone else
Hows your precious world going dear Dumbo. Financial collapses, earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, famines, droughts, wars and rumours of wars... Israel besieged. Its weekly isnt it Dumbo.
You know Biblically Dumbo what we need to see now is more wild animals killing people (Revelation 6:7-8) Lets watch
Sounds like revelations doesnt it Dumbo. The end of the world
But of course its a fairy tail, you know the bible as you say is a fairy tail. Revelations is happening but its a fairy tail
My money is on Javier Solana for the antichrist. Lets see if he gets the Mid East post
Yeah Henk, you are a big man...but talks cheap Henk.
Stop the cheap sniping it makes you look a groveller...grow up boy
henk v
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 04:59 AMIts revelation, moron Read the damn tome. Another astounding case of not knowing what you are talking about.
John the yeeros eater's apocalypse is retrospective (had you read it).
I enjoy the level of genuine drivel you generate in yore (sic) fairy tales (oops tails).
Note that the events in revelation go in a sequence, could you name the initiating sequence that is missing from your argument? Go on, go on.. read the fucking thing.
Thanks for the very cheap talk there hey dumbo I am glad you admit it.
Why don't you go to Costa Rica and form a two man geriatric fear factor with Tim McHyde?
Hey dumbo
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 07:58 AMand I should accept your take on how to read revelations because?
You are a silly silly boy
First the bible is fairy tail/tale whatever , then revelations is retrospective, mind from the boy who asked what tribe of Israel I came from , what animal did Noah eat on the ark or some such nonsense you who dont even accept the word preach the bible at me and your opinion of it, based on what dumbo?
You are a fool
Dumbo you have spent your life being taught though have learned nothing.
You are a parrot to your peers
This is a clear warning to anybody who reads what is written, though its not in my writings its in the world
Look at the book of Revelations in the Bible and compare it with what is just starting in this world today
Its all over
Christ never raised armys waged wars or asked his followers to do so
Christ said to those who judged him "My kingdom isnt of this world". Christs kingdom is comming and this world will have to end....violently
Watch
Henk V
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 09:52 AM...in response to this comment by Hey dumbo. do you want me to repost the question from oct 22 again? I never asked that.
the fact that you've never quoted a single passage or book without fucking it up somewhere shows you arent really interested in the bible.
Pity really, you may have learned to read instead of inventing that tiddler you call your personal god.
and its not "Revelations" you moron, open the fucking book and read..
Henk V.
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 10:39 AMI wish you would cut and paste your quotes.. you seem to be copying McHyde who suffers quoting of inconvenience, but at a totally different level.
Please, tell me what is different now than in any other time of history?
hey dumbo, I mean you henk
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 11:28 AMI wish you would qualify your questions and make those questions comprehendable
I dont know McHyde
You are an angry little man with a foul mouth, that cos I keep putting you in your place, attacking me is your best option....cant defend your position so personal attacks and swearing your last resort
Can see through you boy. Insecure scared little man ranting and raving, raging against the world cos you cant keep up and your beliefs are all turning out to be based on fantasy
Preach at me some more HenkV
I rate you a coward so show me that you are not. If its not called Revelations what is it called you pedant
Come on boy try score a few points
Gilly
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 11:31 AMChrist never raised armys waged wars or asked his followers to do so
Christ said to those who judged him "My kingdom isnt of this world". Christs kingdom is comming and this world will have to end....violently
Watch
What happens next Financial collapses, earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, famines, droughts, wars and rumours of wars... Israel besieged.
The antichrist is rising
Henk V.
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 06:10 PMIts called Revelation...
revelations would be a collection of works as in proverbs
I think you need a doctor Gilly.
Still, the defining initiators of John of Patmos' opera haven't happened. Why haven't you bothered mentioning that...Maybe that isn't in "revelations".
Certainly is in the Revelation.
Maybe you should read it one day. Surely an end timer can tell us the impart of the book and not the frantic gossip of overactive retirees.
Hey Dumbo
Sunday 13th March 2011 | 08:29 PMOoops my little pedant did I make the cardinal sin of calling it RevelationS instead of Revelation
Must remember to repent and whip myself with a heavier than usual mace tonight
You petty petty little man
I have also heard revelations called other names but I am happy to live in my plural error
As for your initiators...well....I will let your past stupid comments insulate me from even trying to guess what the hell you are on about
Israel is a nation again, thats enough
Henk V
Monday 14th March 2011 | 09:14 AM...in response to this comment by Hey Dumbo. no the fact that you didn't even check when it was pointed out and repeatedly defended your idiotic faux pas clinches it..
actually, Israel is a nation but its not a nation of israelites.
Come on,
from revelation, what is your exposition on Israel the nation?
when I ask this most end timers race off to quote extensive unrelated blither from the old testament.
What's the gospel position on this Dumbo? Surely god didnt change his tune?
Hey Dumbo
Monday 14th March 2011 | 09:49 AMUhhm........Yeah, thats right I agree
Henk V
Monday 14th March 2011 | 09:53 AM...in response to this comment by Hey Dumbo.
Thats right!
I hope you find a new bugbear.
steve
Tuesday 5th April 2011 | 09:36 AM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. the bible is fake so shut the fuck up you cocksucking christian fag
steve
Tuesday 5th April 2011 | 09:39 AMgina you cock sucking christian slim the bible is fake you fag your family is worthless god doesent exist sounding like a demon am i well shove it up your ass like is the pope
Gilly
Tuesday 5th April 2011 | 07:33 PMRather standard representation of your average athiest arnt yah Steve
Dont hold back, dont hide your real feelings and stereotype yourself
Steve that attitude is what separates athiests from Christians. Its your complete lack of standards and to an athiest thats fine its acceptable.
You will fit in here really well
Henk V
Wednesday 6th April 2011 | 04:30 PMSorry Gilly, I have seen the same sort of response by the deluded of all sorts. Your not adverse to going cock a hoop with your version of non-reality.
I don't agree with Steve's attitude either. Sounds like belief due to populism. That's really common.
Hey Dumbo
Thursday 7th April 2011 | 04:42 PMI thought Steve sounded suspiciously like you Dumbo
Henk V
Thursday 7th April 2011 | 06:32 PMnow you are lying, you have not had the occasion for thought yet!
Henk V
Friday 8th April 2011 | 01:03 PM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. geeez, the author of hebrews also compared jesus in the light of melchizedek, how do you explain that one?
but your theorem is incorrect,
Hebrews was written in the second century extolling a mythical character who may have lived in the first.
Genesis covers Enoch quite well. No he didnt die, he just had great joggers.
Would it be inconvenient to refer to old testament stuff written by guys in the 6th-2nd century BCE rather than a spurious note commenting on it from the 2nd-3rd century CE.
Genesis was never considered history but hebrews basically was a coaches half time chat!
Read the damn thing!
Hey Dumbo
Friday 8th April 2011 | 08:15 PMIncoherent ramblings of a silly old man
Dumbo can you please read what you write before pressing that submit button
Henk V
Friday 8th April 2011 | 10:14 PMI was responding to Gina's comment on Hebrews and Enoch.
a) ..in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri is the tag line and
b) It doesnt apply to you. I was commenting on the bible.
Nate >.>
Saturday 28th June 2008 | 07:16 PMI think that there's really only one true way to find out if there is an afterlife, and we all know what that is, problem is, you can't come back to tell anyone about it ;-)
Unless of course you are a zombie.......