$1.5 m of taxpayer money to make long dead celebate moron a saint
Jake Farr-Wharton 56 comments Poll
How would you answer the question, “what do you think is the most important ‘thing’ that the Australian federal government should to with tax payer money?”
Invest in sustainability technology?
Invest in medical or other scientific research?
Invest in public transport infrastructure to get people off the roads?
Invest in tertiary education support schemes to allow people to study without poverty?
Well, Australia is about to have its very own and very first saint, Mary MacKillop, and aren’t we just so proud?
Fuck no, we’re not proud. On the other hand, I’m not the voice of the people; I’m just an individual with an opinion, a vocabulary, and a media with which to voice it.
Australian Cardinal George “go-to-hell” Pell, however, IS the voice of the people. “The People”, of course are the deeply religious, deeply delusional cretins who find themselves unable to look beyond the so called ‘moral decay of society’, to more important issues.
What issues? How about the fact that we lock up people who are escaping war, famine and natural disasters who manage to make it to Australia on rickety boats in prison cells? Yeah, their only fucking crime is not drowning, and their punishment is being locked in a prison until they’re told their application for asylum has been denied that they kill themselves?
How about the fact that the only reliable resource that we have that supports life, the Earth, is being systematically raped into extinction? A report came out this week which suggests that BY 2030, WE WILL NEED 2 PLANETS TO FEED HUMANITY! And considering that NASA, the only space agency thus far capable of putting humans on another astronomical body, has cut back funding to just about everything, we’re shit out of luck there!
Cardinal “rob-from-the-poor-to-keep-the-Vatican-coffers-happy” . Wow! How fucking inspirational! "I think that one group that we should look at in particular is those Australians who don't have faith and would like to have faith. For those people who are looking for something, I would say have a look at Mary MacKillop. She was a woman of faith," Pell pontificated.
. $1.5 million Australian dollars (which is about $700 million US dollars at the moment) was misappropriated to support a bid to have this long dead Australian woman magically turned into a saint. As if it’s not bad enough that these seriously-wealthy-beggars pay zero in taxes whilst raking in millions!
That’s right folks, the church that made several hundred billion dollars last year telling people not to masturbate and telling HIV and AIDs infected Africans and teens all over the world not to use condoms, but use abstinence instead (because that worked so fucking well for the paedophile priests, now, didn’t it?), needs $1.5 million from the Australian people to make a dead woman a fucking saint.
Why? Some idiot with cancer was given a diagnosis of ‘incurable cancer’, and after praying to Mary MacKillop went into complete remission. Of course she was also put on high dose radiation and drug therapy, she had several surgeries and was cared for by the Australian healthcare system… but it was totally the freaking prayer that did it!
I know how hard university departments work to get funding grants to conduct their research, and when they’re given $50,000, they squeal with delight. They save lives.
George Pell, a man who has personally covered up several cases of clerical sexual abuse in the various dioceses that he has run over the years, claims that this $1.5 million dollars is well spent, that it will bring non-believers to Catholicism. What am I, a non-believer, missing?
Who the hell does he think he is? Better yet, how ridiculously stupid does he think we ‘non-believers’ are? Are we supposed to look at the beatification and sainthood of a dead woman and convert to a religion whose leader was all too fucking happy to repeatedly remove guilty paedophiles from one church and put them into another, where they went on to re-offend again, and again, and again?
You, George Pell, and your ridiculous sham of a bigoted, homophobic, sanctimonious, misogynistic, paedophiliac, parthenogenesis-believing, moronic-dress-and-hat-wearing, nut-bag religion, can kiss my consecrated, holy ass!
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Jake Farr-Wharton
Friday 15th October 2010 | 11:13 AM...in response to this comment by Papa. Yes, you are correct:
http://www.culturalcatholic.com/vatican.htm
Vatican 2006
Revenue: 227,815,031
Expenditures: 225,409,716
Vatican announced a 2,405,315 budget surplus in 2006 stating that the weak U. S. dollar hurt revenues
Vatican reported 2006 staffing at 2,704 of whom 773 are ecclesiastics, 331 are religious, and 1,600 are lay.
2006 Peter's Pence offering totaled $101,900,192.71/ up from $59.4MM in 2005
Vatican Museums' revenue for 2006 was $65MM with $32.5MM in expenses, providing the Vatican with its greatest single source of income.
That said, I don't know how accurate or honest that is.
Henk V
Friday 15th October 2010 | 11:48 AMOn Mary ... a historical exercise can easily cost millions. Its the obsenity of the woman being sainted on miracles rather than a memorable person who achieved a hell of a lot in her life time.
That sort of money could have gone into a shelter. She would have wanted that.
I've heard that George is adopting his mission name as Alice and not Mary...
He was going to call himself dental plan but its only a state rort.
Henk V
Friday 15th October 2010 | 11:49 AMP.S. pretty soon Marvin could buy manhattan for his schooner change,, Bargain!
G
Saturday 16th October 2010 | 07:43 PMStrangely I have more respect for an athiest than a mick, but considering that there are 5 million odd micks in Australia and MOST OF THEM ARE TAX PAYING AUSSIES, and of those 5 odd million I am sure that 1.5 million are happy about this Macillop saint kerfuffle
so
How I see it is Jake is an arrogant dictator whinging and bitching because he cant get his own way........Grow up princess and learn to get along with everyone else and their brliefs and stop shoving your high and mighty righteousness down every ones throat like your are the mighty and high priest of all things athiesm
and when I say more respect for an athiest I mean a real athiest not an athiest religiuos preaching athiest like Jake
So from my understanding of catholicism does her sainting mean that catholics can pray to her now? Thats a question
Rodney
Saturday 16th October 2010 | 07:51 PMI'm not a fan of tax payer dollars going to this - however, let's put things in perspective. 1.5 million is a minuscule component of the budget and it will make a sizable percentage (lets guess 10%??) of the population happy. That's value for money, for a government that lives buy buying votes.
Compare it to the Commonwealth Games (which I personally will admit I enjoyed), which just finished and elicited no comment from you, whatsoever. They cost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars and according to News Poll, over 50% of Australia thinks they're a waste of time.
The reality of all government spending is it is about making a decision about where to spend money to make people happy enough to vote for you next time. Obviously the government did a cost analysis on this and decided it will be in their benefit.
Papa
Sunday 17th October 2010 | 10:23 AM...in response to this comment by Rodney. Its not about how much money it is, its the fact that its your money. Our taxes here in the States go to paying off executives and corrupt senators, I don't care if its five or a million dollars, it still feels morally repugnant.
Rodney
Sunday 17th October 2010 | 11:36 AM...in response to this comment by Papa. True, but there's a difference between paying off corrupt politicians (which is what you're complaining about) and spending some money on something that a percentage of the population actually wants (as in the case of this "saint"). Some people in Australia actually want this and will think it's money well spent. No body thinks paying off politicians is money well spent. The comparison is not like for like.
I know plenty of people think paying 1.5 mill for some saint is not money well spent - but my point about the Commonwealth Games is lots of people think that money was a waste, as well. You can't please everyone. It's all about spending an appropriate amount of money with regards to the size of the population who wants the money spent.
Jake Farr-Wharton
Monday 18th October 2010 | 07:48 AM...in response to this comment by Rodney. Rodney, the commonwealth games is huge business... you spend a hundred million to train your athletes and get them over there and you get it all back with broadcasting, news, sponsorship etc. Not to mention that the host country for any major event (except this last world cup and the Commonwealth games) will see a massive influx of toursm for the events.
When it came to world youth day in 2009, the NSW govt gave away $200m (might have been $20m) with the intention to get it all back in tourist dollars (and it didn't even come close to being reimbursed).
There is no, ZERO intrinsic benifit in this ordination of a saint. We have nothing to gain, whatsoever. It is a ridiculous gesture.
We're happy to have refugees sitting in prision so long that they snap, and throw money to have a dead chick venerated.
Rodney
Monday 18th October 2010 | 10:01 AM...in response to this comment by Jake Farr-Wharton. But there is a benefit. Last night, SBS news dedicated 16 minutes of a 30 minute news bulletin to this story. There's massive public interest. Personally, I don't see it but a lot of people do.
Additionally, many people argue there is no intrinsic benefit from the Commonwealth Games, either. And all your points re the Games are true of this Mary business. The host nation got massive tourism (see the crowds on TV), there are business deals being done for sure, and a bunch of people feel happy.
I actually reckon that the reason there's so much public interest in this story is a case of parochialism: i.e. most Australian's don't really care that she's a "saint" - just that "Australia now has one of those whatever's", as well. Kind of like winning gold at the Commonwealth Games - it's a case of Yay Australia, rather than Yay Catholicism. So in the end, it's really just a weird kind of sport.
So Australia does gain something: nation pride (it's stupid, but there you have it). It's the same benefit we get from beating the Poms at the Commonwealth Games. It doesn't really matter and it won't help anyone's day to day life. It won't improve living standards and it won't fix the health system. But it does placate the wealthy(ish) middle class with something to talk about at the water cooler and this has pretty much been the staple of governments going back to the times of the Roman Coliseums and before.
There's loads of ridiculous gestures that get government funding. Some of them way more than 1.5 million, too. I'm not saying I agree with them. I am just saying governments only do these things when they believe they will get a return.
Jake Farr-Wharton
Monday 18th October 2010 | 10:17 AM...in response to this comment by Rodney. You don't have to play devil's advocate, you know, Rodney!
I maintain that this is a misappropriation of funding. Beyond the clergy, I've not heard of any who have any strong opinions which support this (except for the moron who believes MacKillop cured her cancer). If the roman catholic conquistadores wish to make the woman a saint, let them do it with their own cash.
Perhaps I am just the naive atheist curmudgeon asshole though, who doesn't understand the 'pride' aspect of what you're talking about. I take your point, but I really don't see how anyone would feel any sense of pride about this utterly perposterous gesture.
I also doubt I'm the only one who has recognised that this woman isn't being sainted because of the great deeds she did while alive (which are actually quite significant), rather the bullshit that is attributed to her after she'd decomposed.
Rodney
Monday 18th October 2010 | 11:49 AM...in response to this comment by Jake Farr-Wharton. Oh for sure. She's only getting this "honour" because of purely political reasons. Basically, the Catholic Church probably saw dwindling numbers in Australia and needed a boost. What also surprised me was that others are getting sainted at the same time and, from what I see on the news, this appears to be an annual event? Kind of like getting an OBE or Order of Australia or something?? Makes a mockery (even more so) of the whole concept doesn't it?
Jake Farr-Wharton
Monday 18th October 2010 | 02:28 PMIndeed, Rodney.
andrew
Monday 18th October 2010 | 04:39 PMgee jake if you got something to say,say it dont beat round the bush....
actually i agree with you...
Robert Tobin
Monday 18th October 2010 | 07:48 PMMacKillop's Canonization is invalid because it was done by a Heretical Anti-Pope, Der Führer von Der Vatican Reich, Herr Papst Ratslinger.
The "Holy"" Roman Catholic Church has been Heretical since the Second Vatican Council wrecked the Church under the Anti-Pope Paul VI.
Robert Tobin
Monday 18th October 2010 | 07:58 PMThat was bad as constant football news. The TEN Network wasted the first 10 minutes on the MacKillop Crap.
And it seems that some Aussies got a bit rowdy in St. Peters Square and got ejected by the Swiss Guard. I wonder if that happened when Jesus was delivering his Sermon on the Mount, He had some interjectors kicked out by his "heavies" . I saw that George Cardinal "Go To Hell". Pell was asked for some ID by the Swiss Guard. One look at him would be enough to frighten "Christ" out of anyone and Pell would always look suspicious.
Henk V
Tuesday 19th October 2010 | 11:37 AM...in response to this comment by G. G, yer way outta line there. The micks got well over 120 million a few years back and us oldies lost another chance at an extra mega dental facility.
1 dentist can save a lot more than one pope.
At every stage the religious get their tax free rorts at the expense of the secular.
When the going gets tough, the pope says mass. Its about as effective as asking Bono about philosophy, only it costs a little less these days.
g
Tuesday 19th October 2010 | 03:37 PMNo dopey I am not out of line and I am not discussing a 120 million gamble on tourist dollars that the stupid NSW govt had a throw at
Dentists? Shakes head
Tax religion and watch charities collapse, fine.
Tax religion I am not arguing that
The secular are a bunch of self serving greedy money grabbers who deserve to be taxed
"I want free medicine I want free dental work " Yeah tax them all
My money is on a 25% global GST on everything really soon
The pope says mass and bono espises athiesm so whats your point they are both as bad as each other
Just heard Homer that you are the cattle tick every other cattle tick should aspire to be like
*chortle chortle*
G
Tuesday 19th October 2010 | 03:43 PMJakesta
I see you are no fan of the cattle ticks but I wonder how your heart glows when some inconsequential loser in the line of Hitchens or Dawkins, scientists supposedly ...who have offered nothing of any real value to science, recieves an honourary award from some fawning public education system
What a waste of time and money
but I am not that petty to grizzle like you, have your crumbs
Each to his own faith
Henk V
Tuesday 19th October 2010 | 08:26 PMHitchens and Dawkins earn their money working. The Pope lives in luxury and doesn't do his job...
aside from that, the discussion is about St Mary being elevated on bullshit rather than her extreme good work in defying the church and getting services up and running. A remarkable woman and feminist who should have been secularly honoured by her country rather than fawning to the churches misguided beliefs in the *cosmic cupcake.
Lets face it, if a kid who leaves school has not heard of Mary then they probably didn't go to school in Oz. Its a bit like science in the good old US of A. Every kid has seen that word countless times after the word "creation".
Now, Dawkins is a scientist and has published. Sadly you are too stupid to look up his citation index before shooting you wife's fingers off on the keyboard. The church on the other hand has @50G$ tied in fixed assets, declared their own tax haven and get tax free benefit from every state the collude with. Their own clergy protest on this from time to time and conveniently just like Mary they get dissapeared in a state, catholic or permanent fashion.
You only need a stooge like theresa once a century to keep the guys heads down.
And laughably, when the going gets tough a mass gets going.
Hitchens however is not a scientist and admits when pushed, he really cant explain scientific concepts like the scientists who advise him.
He is what people in the cities (the ones without mule carts) call a journalist. He writes entertaining stories about guys who want to kill moronic luddites such as your self.. that's right, religious people.
Lets face it, there are at least 3 billion people in this world who despise people like you because they think their own cosmic cup cake is being a bit magnanimous with the oxygen with respect to you.
Hitchen, as crook as he is, hasn't any time for anyone's cosmic cupcake but he has a lot of time and effort spent in telling you, if you don't fix it soon, your kid is next.
*Cosmic cup cake;
1) a supernatural perfect being in a perfect world with perfect morals, therefore a cosmic cupcake exists. The religious just don't know if its raisins or chocolate cosmic cupcake.
2) a fart caught in the palm of your hand
Henk V
Tuesday 19th October 2010 | 08:29 PMas far as I know Bono is a full on rock chopper.. the pope visits him after the cup cake leaves his office
G
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 06:44 AMMeh
I have no intention of supporting the catholic church and nothing new you can say would be news
They pay taxes and if politics feels the need to service them then its not my responsibility to argue or justify the logic behind it. Its fine by me
There are plenty more wasteful political schemes that deserve to be derided and politicians held accountable for mismanagement than bleating over 1.5 million
Jake and his little soap box deriding religion while billions of dollars are wasted in other areas,
petty really.
On Bono , strange how people like you are silly enough and brainwashed enough to believe anything the media tell you
Dawkins and Hitchens and honorary doctorates. Secular sainthoods and you say athiesm isnt a religion
*chortle chortle*
Henk V
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 06:52 AMBTW, given that sainthood is a ridiculous farce, the See should pay as a present to all the Australian people who listen to his machinations.
The church has undergone a huge change over the past 50 years. Undermining the authority figures of all sects is a right and proper process.
They have no authority whilst senior figures of their churches seek to control the minds of the "flock".
I note that Ju-Ju on his site writes mind numbing misrepresentations of various texts and cut and paste articles of christian "revisionists". What he fails to recognise is that the cosmic cupcake he has created for himself bears no resemblance to the various representations of the gods in the bible.
I take it Goldilock's that you have even bothered to read your own bible? from one of your recent testimonies "I am not a Jew", I am sure you haven't. I am absolutely sure you havent read any of the corresponding literatures at the time.
Ju-Ju hasn't and that's why he took Papa to task on the trinity (cosmic cup cake, hundreds and thousands and and vanilla essence). He was dead wrong.
Making things up as you go along is called religion and there is always the last resort.. post some mindless cherry picked exegesis or list of quotes that is google from a bible on line.
Religion has come a long way. When people are allowed to practice in true piety, religion will be dead.
Sometimes you are allowed to actually think as you post.
Remember, the cosmic cupcake, the hundreds and thousands and the vanilla essence are watching you as you practice self abuse.
Henk V
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 09:14 AM
Saint hood cheapens the achievements of great people. They aren't about recognition. Religion cheapens absurdity.
Strangely enough, I've actually heard Bono rant endlessly. His absurd religion is pretty much the same as yours; pure fictitious invention on the part of the new christian.
Are you sure you aren't talking about Sir Bob? Another ranter tres extraordinaire?
Jake Farr-Wharton
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 11:25 AMGilly, Hitchens is not a scientist or an educator, he was a journalist, then author and now professional orator.
Dawkins created the very first computer model for natural selection as part of one of his many disertations.
Gilly, go and sit back with Pope Eggs Benedict, you have no idea what you're talking about. If you're not a fan of evolution, that's fine, but it has been empiracally proven, so any assertions to the contrary constitute no more than you pissing into the wind.
Jake Farr-Wharton
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 11:27 AMHenk, I suppose that this is what annoyed me most about this case, Mackillop was a whistleblower and was ex-communicated for bring child sex abuse to light within the Catholic Church... and now she's been shamelessly used by the Catholic Church to fucking distract from the overwhelming instances of sexual abuse within the church.
Henk V
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 02:56 PMI totally agree Jake. The church is sweeping issues under the carpet so folk do not notice their massive blunders.
Its easy to harvest morons. Get to a child's mind and you have his wallet for life...and may be a piece of ass. Christian leaders of all denominations dream of riding an ass in the Jerusalem gate.
g
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 06:18 PMHmmm
Yeah though isnt it funny how the Australian govt bow and scrape to the cathaholics
Whinge and bitch all you want but even KRudd was there and Abbott would have been there if he could
I just love your empty fallacious rants
Evolutards still lacking evidence. Aliens seeded the earth *Chortle Chortle* according to the great scientist Dawkins
You evolutards are laughable
g
Wednesday 20th October 2010 | 06:19 PMOh and Homer why not search for what bono really believes.
He is as Christian as you and Jake are
Henk V
Thursday 21st October 2010 | 08:37 AMI used to get the salvo's warcry dumped on me when attending my then vocation. I read the continuing features on Bono and was fairly convinced that he was a proselytising christian that said dumb things along the lines of "I cant call myself a christian because I cant live up to Jesus".
If he does get up on rants (as boring as U2 music post 1994) and practices different things that makes him the same as USA fundamental orators.
True that the same mag made a big thing out of Nick Cave's ludicrous rantings at the time.
I havent seen anything to the contrary since.
Personally, I think Bono interviews the hundreds and thousands on the cosmic cupcake trinity.
Ps Jake a christian like me? Nope, we are totally different beasties!
I like seeing young blokes coming into their confidence as early as Jake has. I think responsibility has gotten ahold of him and he has learned from it. You don't get that sort of confidence believing in fairy tales. Believing, dear Goldilocks, is an abrogation of personal responsibility. Pack behaviour.
Ps. Who said you are a christian?
Its pretty hard for me to accept that you consciously believe in the eternal afternoon tea.
Henk V
Thursday 21st October 2010 | 02:38 PMPPPS
"If he does get up on rants (as boring as U2 music post 1994) and practices different things that makes him the same as USA fundamental orators."
and every religious leader around.
Fibbing, adultery, sex and theft aren't sins in the book of normal people. I am sure nearly all of any population has nicked stationary, had pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex and just forgot to tell the truth about any of it.
The thing is, amongst the religious educators, you cant do any of it without being forgiven.. Even murderers get forgiven and people just feel wonderful doing it. Ask Ju-Ju, even rape and genocide must be forgiven.
Its a statement of fact that christians must forgive sinners as their trinity of white wings shake and bake does.
I like the gratification of responsibility. Satan from biblical accounts is a good role model.
Jeezers made alt med.. Satan made doctors.. there is no truer statement.
Jeezers makes dumb twats, Satan makes you think.... guess what ideology I would ascribe to if I believed in crap? Keeping a record of my sins would be a good start.. having a 20th century cartoon telling me, he is responsibility is a joke...and a very sick one at that.
This is the very crux that Jake brought up.. a responsible activist is sainted for the miraculous cure of three puppies and a worn out fridge.. Its a practical joke to hide a glorious well charged life under the banner of, hanging with the pack..
All christians are catholics unless they are offshoots of the millerites. Come to think of it "jews for jesus" and Witnesses are the same thing too.
Henk V
Thursday 21st October 2010 | 03:53 PM...in response to this comment by Papa. remember that the churches principle is to gain fixed assets so as not to spend..
I don't know anything about Mormons as they really don't fly in my radar but Presbyterian gold is fundamentalist gold. Its mostly spent in the brain enslavement of its youth (been there, done that). Strangely enough, presbyterians have a poor record on hanging on to its youth nowadays. Barren sermons do not make an attractive article. Maybe in the states its different but europe (aus is europe after all.. just ask any aus) has a monstrous age skew.. old women at practice... young people in crisis.
Presbyterian sex? its what you find out about when you go to mass with your friends.. Thank goodness christians get to be ecumenical and then turn agnostic
g
Friday 22nd October 2010 | 11:22 AMThe Darwin Party can only thrive in a totalitarian regime
Wows Homer you talk alot
Can somebody do a readers digest translation on Homers work for me Pulezze
I am always astounded how the weaker minded like you,s athiests are under the impression that Christians are bound and controlled
Lets look at Jake for instance. Spitefull arrogant bitter nasty self righteous unforgiving rude and beligrent. Hell just peruse Jakes sad little scratchings here abouts and Homer you say I am bound and controlled? Jakes confidence. Are you kidding me, Jakes cowardly reactions are just reactions of a bitter nasty little person without a drop of self control. Poor Jake cant handle the fact that he aint a person of any persuasion so he has to monster his beliefs on others
His diatribes are a scream for acceptance and recognition
I guess he is lonely and alienated in his own home, as I said at a guess
Yet Homer you say I have those many issues tying me up...Ba Bow. Sorry sweetie
On you Homer. I cant be bothered reading your rantings to notice what drives you
as for Bono's so called Christianity' only the stupid would believe that
Henk V
Friday 22nd October 2010 | 12:40 PMso what tribe do you come from goldilocks?... I'd like to know which ones cant read the writing of others and themselves
1)Shem
2) Ham
3) Japeth
4) Canaan
just so we all know..
Henk V
Friday 22nd October 2010 | 01:12 PMBy the way, Jake has never told a lie here, he has just overlooked a few things. I could say the same about you except the ratio of knowing things and overlooking things is paltry in your court. You have denied your god on a number of occasions. Even your holy spirit if you check back in your last months posts. The vanilla essence will have you boy..
Tis why I ask about tribes... If you answer as a christian or a jew, you will deny 90% of what you have posted.
Having a philosophical nihilist in your life does that. Atheists?... all chuckle heads.
G
Friday 22nd October 2010 | 05:09 PMI think you had better have another bex and a lay down Homer
Henk V
Friday 22nd October 2010 | 05:34 PMso can you answer or are you hiding again?
g
Saturday 23rd October 2010 | 05:21 AMI think that big red nose that you wear is restricting the blood flow to your brain Homer
I never called Jake a liar in fact I believe that your delusional Jake is so brainwashed that he totally accepts anything taught by his superiors. Poor bitter twisted Jake believes the lie
As for tribes and what one I am from, what are you talking about Homer
What an inane and irrelevant question
Henk V
Saturday 23rd October 2010 | 06:32 AMjust answer the question...
Henk V
Saturday 23rd October 2010 | 06:39 AMIt is a very simple question for someone who knows so much about the origins Jews, Christians and Muslims as you seem to purport
G
Saturday 23rd October 2010 | 06:31 PMOk Homer
If you sober up and actually pose a sensible question.
I am not Jewish Homer and I have no interest in tracing my familys heritage
Henk V
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 07:35 AMbut its critical to all your argument... better see a reverend on this one
Henk V
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 05:14 PMYer rev must be a thicko...
g
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 06:07 PMNothing as stupid as somebody who thinks they know everything about what they are talking about but in truth havnt a single clue what they are talking about Homer
Explain yourself , explain what your belief is and then explain what it is based on where you get your oh so righteous and correct belief or better yet my one dimensional cartoon character.... fade off in to the ether
You Homer are a thicko who should wear a toilet role around your neck to wipe your chin after talking
*Chortle chortle*
Henk V
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 06:22 PMjust answer the question Goldilocks... you have made origins claims over and over again, surely you can answer the simplest of origin questions..
maybe you can't. Your rev must be a chortle head too?
Henk V
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 06:24 PMis it three days of evasiveness? that is almost ju ju proportion... he never took the bet..... He a sophist and all that..
Henk V
Sunday 24th October 2010 | 06:37 PMYou know Jake and Papa are going to have a righteous giggle at all your blithering when you don't even know....
Lol... The porridge is just a little bit too hot for your gullet
Even JuJu will have a laugh at your over sight.
Henk V dumbo orig question
Thursday 11th November 2010 | 02:12 PM...in response to this comment by Henk V. yup... since friday 22 of october you have done nothing but evade the question
do you blieve in the fall, the deluge and the progenitors.
If you are not a Jew, you are a muslim?
after all these are the likely religions from the bosom of abraham
Hey Dumbo again
Thursday 11th November 2010 | 04:07 PMAre you still asking me what tribe I came from?
You cant be that stupid can you Dumbo?
Henk V
Thursday 11th November 2010 | 04:26 PMno... I have ascertained that you havet got a clue about what you believe. Really. I'd like to speak to your religious instructor.
Lets move on tho...
why is jesus the messiah?
So Dumbo
Thursday 11th November 2010 | 06:54 PMAre you now saying you didnt ask me what tribe I am from???
Henk v Goldilocks
Thursday 11th November 2010 | 08:46 PMI did... Shem, Ham or Japeth... i didnt give a toss about israel or mention it... I threw in Canaan from Ham...
g
Friday 12th November 2010 | 08:13 AMNo Dumbo you said TRIBES
Shem, Ham or Japeth were never called the tribes they were called nations
I am figuring somebody that you believe and accept told you something that was based on an opinion and belief, and like a good little Dumbo you have accepted it and held on to that belief.
Truth is that nobody knows who those Three nations went on to be
Assumptions and you have assumed wrong I believe
Henk V
Friday 12th November 2010 | 10:06 AMactuall shem ham and japheth were called families, clans, tribes and then split into tribes and nations.
Only the nation of shem was briefly ascribed to.
I did say nations if you look back... I clarified tribe to nation for you many many times. You are just an avoider.
so which ark animal did Ham eat,
why was jesus the messiah?
come on, Ham is not jewish and although jesus was a jew, he has special dispensation as ...he didnt exist.
Henk V
Wednesday 9th February 2011 | 12:53 PM...in response to this comment by Henk V. Here is the original question Hey dumbo..
Maybe you can make up another xcuse for not reading the question..
Dithering old fart you are...
Papa
Friday 15th October 2010 | 09:31 AMWow, can't believe you guys are having to deal with that shit. Here in the states money that should be going back into the people is being used to pay off politicians, not much different I suppose than making a dead woman a saint.
I don't think the Catholic church makes that much money my friend. Presbyterians and Mormons have more money than the Catholic church by far.